At first, when he mentioned he wanted to do the album, I didn’t know how serious he was. But - I was just talking about this with Jaden today - it was still the pressure of going toe-to-toe, line for line with Ye, and that was heavy for me. Kids See Ghosts did take us a little over a year-and-a-half to just get it tight and where we wanted it to be, but the actual songwriting process and putting the songs together wasn’t really hard. We just have this chemistry that’s undeniable, especially when we have to fight for it with each other. I think me and Kanye are always going to make awesome shit together. How have you felt fed by that partnership throughout your career, and do you feel like it’s still progressing? The joy you get working with Kanye has always shone through in your collaborative efforts, no matter what the project has looked like, but you’ve also seen each other through some tension.
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That’s what Kids See Ghosts was: to update the world on where I’m at. Because I wrote that album before I went to rehab, then I came out and released it, I never really got a chance to write post-rehab, show the world where I’m at right now. Passion, Pain was more positive, but I wasn’t necessarily living when I was writing it. It took me so long to get to that place, and I was really excited to write from that standpoint when I got there. I wanted to bring the opposite of that, you know? I’m at a place where I was able to do that. I’m focusing on my art again and throwing myself back into it and wanting to write something with more of a positive outlook on things, because I’ve written the dark so well for so long. Living a healthy life, keeping my family around and staying on a mission, which is making music that means something. I’m just creating a lot, with more love in my heart for what I’m doing and for myself. What are you doing these days to keep your head right and your energy right? I wonder out loud if the lack of seasonal change takes some getting used to. Cudi himself has withstood what seems to be the most unpredictable period in his life, and what washes over him now is a palpable sense of serenity.
Gone are the wild swings of Ohio weather, replaced with a consistent calm. He mentions how the seasons don’t really change, current heat notwithstanding. He has long departed from his hometown of Cleveland and now resides in Los Angeles. He pauses before biting into his burger, stares at the light along the table and exclaims, “Word?,” as if the thought had never occurred to him before. Kids who are doing better because he’s doing better. “I want my daughter to read it.” When we pause so that he can quickly eat half of a burger drowned in ketchup, I tell him about the kids in Ohio, where we are both from, who listen to his music and feel more alive.
“Make sure this is good,” he tells me early in the interview. He beams when circling back repeatedly to his 8-year-old daughter, Vada Mescudi. Not as if he’s trying to convince me or sell me on his joy, but like he has made a long journey along a river, finally saw his reflection in the water for the first time and wants to tell me all about it. Sitting in this unshakable hotel with sunlight moving across the table, Cudi mostly wants to talk about joy.
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